Legislature(1997 - 1998)

03/23/1998 09:06 AM Senate HES

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      SENATE HEALTH, EDUCATION AND SOCIAL SERVICES COMMITTEE                   
                          March 23, 1998                                       
                            9:06 a.m.                                          
                                                                               
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                
Senator Gary Wilken, Chairman                                                  
Senator Lyda Green                                                             
Senator Jerry Ward                                                             
                                                                               
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                 
                                                                               
Senator Loren Leman, Vice-Chairman                                             
Senator Johnny Ellis                                                           
                                                                               
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                             
                                                                               
SPONSOR SUBSTITUTE FOR SENATE BILL NO. 203                                     
"An Act relating to phonemic awareness, letter-sound                           
correspondence, word-attack skills, spelling, vocabulary, use of               
decodable text, reading comprehension strategies, and testing for              
basic reading and reading comprehension skills in the public school            
system."                                                                       
     HEARD AND HELD                                                            
                                                                               
SENATE BILL NO. 246                                                            
"An Act amending the definition of correctional facility to include            
a therapeutic treatment center; providing for the conveyance of the            
Harborview Developmental Center and appurtenant land to the City of            
Valdez for the purpose of conversion and lease of a part of the                
center for a therapeutic treatment center for the Department of                
Corrections; providing that such a land conveyance counts toward               
the general grant land entitlement of the City of Valdez; and                  
providing for an effective date."                                              
     PASSED SB 246 OUT OF COMMITTEE                                            
                                                                               
PREVIOUS SENATE COMMITTEE ACTION                                               
                                                                               
SB 203 - See HESS minutes dated 2/20/98, 2/23/98 and 3/23/98.                  
                                                                               
SB 246 - See Senate Community & Regional Affairs minutes dated                 
          2/2/98 and HESS minutes dated 2/27/98.                               
                                                                               
WITNESS REGISTER                                                               
                                                                               
Mel Krogseng                                                                   
Legislative Aide to Senator Taylor                                             
Alaska State Capitol                                                           
Juneau, Alaska  99801-1182                                                     
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified for the sponsor of SB 203                       
                                                                               
Dr. Nick Stayrook                                                              
Fairbanks North Star Borough School District                                   
520 Fifth Avenue                                                               
Fairbanks, Alaska  99701                                                       
POSITION STATEMENT: Commented on SSSB 203                                      
                                                                               
Jean Ann Alter                                                                 
Alaska State Literacy Association                                              
319 Distin Avenue                                                              
Juneau, Alaska  99801                                                          
POSITION STATEMENT:  Commented on SSSB 203                                     
                                                                               
Jaqueline Tagaban                                                              
National Assn. for the Education of                                            
  Young Children (NAEYC)                                                       
320 West Willoughby                                                            
Juneau, Alaska  98901                                                          
POSITION STATEMENT:  Commented on SSSB 203                                     
                                                                               
Nila Rinehart                                                                  
Tlingit & Haida Head Start                                                     
3211 Tongass Boulevard                                                         
Juneau, Alaska  99801                                                          
POSITION STATEMENT:  Commented on SSSB 203                                     
                                                                               
Bridget Smith                                                                  
Even Start                                                                     
137 Sixth Street                                                               
Juneau, Alaska  99801                                                          
POSITION STATEMENT:  Commented on SSSB 203                                     
                                                                               
Dennis Early                                                                   
Tlingit & Haida Head Start                                                     
3211 Tongass Boulevard                                                         
Juneau, Alaska  99801                                                          
POSITION STATEMENT:  Commented on SSSB 203                                     
                                                                               
John Cyr                                                                       
National Education Association                                                 
114 Second Street                                                              
Juneau, Alaska  99801                                                          
POSITION STATEMENT:  Commented on SSSB 203                                     
                                                                               
Sue Oliphant                                                                   
2155 Fritz Cove Road                                                           
Juneau, Alaska  99801                                                          
POSITION STATEMENT:  Commented on SSSB 203                                     
                                                                               
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                               
                                                                               
TAPE 98-26, SIDE A                                                             
Number 001                                                                     
                                                                               
CHAIRMAN WILKEN called the Senate Health, Education and Social                 
Services (HESS) Committee to order at 9:06 a.m.  Present were                  
Senators Wilken, Ward and Green.   SB 203 was before the committee.            
                                                                               
                  SB 203 - PHONICS CURRICULUM                                  
                                                                               
CHAIRMAN WILKEN announced the committee would be addressing the                
sponsor substitute for SB 203 and that committee packets contained             
a new fiscal note and copies of various e-mail notes sent to the               
committee.                                                                     
                                                                               
MEL KROGSENG, legislative aide to Senator Robin Taylor, sponsor of             
SSSB 203, explained the measure as follows.  SSSB 203 was drafted              
as a compromise to the original legislation after a great deal of              
testimony was heard in opposition to a provision that mandated that            
every public school system include phonics instruction in its                  
curriculum.  SSSB 203 requires students to be tested in first,                 
second, and third grades using a nationally normed test.  The bill             
encourages school districts to include systematic intensive phonics            
in their curricula and only mandates its inclusion if a majority of            
the students in any particular grade level scores below the 25th               
percentile on a nationally normed test for three consecutive school            
years.  Senator Taylor would prefer to have the committee address              
the percentage amount, on page 2, line 13, rather than wait until              
a majority, or 51 percent, of students score in the lower 25th                 
percentile before districts are forced to take action to reverse               
that trend.                                                                    
                                                                               
MS. KROGSENG informed committee members that Senator Taylor was                
approached on Friday by a representative of the Department of                  
Education (DOE) with a proposed amendment to change the content of             
the bill and tie it to the draft DOE standards.  Senator Taylor                
opposes the amendment because DOE's standards remain in draft form             
at this time.  Second, the Fordham Foundation evaluation of 46                 
states criticized the Alaska DOE's math standards for being very               
vague.                                                                         
                                                                               
MS. KROGSENG stated that Senator Taylor believes SSSB 203 contains             
a very reasonable approach to ensuring that elementary students                
receive adequate language education.  She pointed out the United               
Kingdom is now mandating the use of systematic intensive phonics               
instruction in its school systems, according to the London                     
Telegraph.  Also, a Wall Street Journal editorial, dated March 23,             
1998, stated the process of teaching young children to read has                
been a notable disaster throughout this country in recent years.               
She concluded by saying Senator Taylor preferred the approach set              
out in CSSB 203, previously reviewed by the committee, but in light            
of trying to get legislation to address this problem passed, he is             
offering the sponsor substitute.                                               
                                                                               
Number 121                                                                     
                                                                               
DR. NICK STAYROOK, staff to the Fairbanks North Star Borough School            
District (FNSBSD) and a consultant to the Alaska DOE, gave the                 
following testimony.  He informed committee members he is not a                
reading expert, but is very familiar with the issue of phonics and             
whole language instruction in the FNSBSD.  His area of specialty is            
in assessment and evaluation.  In 1989 the FNSBSD adopted a whole              
language curriculum and the use of a Holt Impressions Reading                  
Series which resulted in a lot of controversy over the whole                   
language approach and the selected reading materials.  This                    
approach de-emphasizes the use of phonics instruction and                      
emphasizes learning to read in context, using real literature as               
opposed to "Dick and Jane" type primers.   While that curriculum               
has been in place during the last eight years, a number of concerns            
were raised regarding significant decreases in elementary students'            
spelling scores on the California Achievement Test (CAT).  Those               
scores dropped to about the 30th to 35th percentile districtwide               
during the first three years.  As a result, the school board took              
action and instituted the use of spelling textbooks and curricula.             
CAT spelling scores increased over the last four or five years up              
to the national average.                                                       
                                                                               
DR. STAYROOK indicated the FNSBSD is in the process of revising its            
entire curriculum.  The draft curriculum has undergone extensive               
review by teachers, parents, and other groups, and will be before              
the school board in the next month.  The draft contains a balanced             
approach to the teaching of reading and language arts in the                   
elementary schools.  The balanced approach includes both phonics               
instruction, as proposed in SSSB 203, and the whole language                   
approach.  The district found that elementary students must be                 
provided with a range of different instructional methods because               
students come to school with various backgrounds in reading: some              
read well when they enter kindergarten, others do not know the                 
alphabet.  The FNSBSD believes a balanced approach is the only way             
to go.  Recent research on reading instruction favors a balanced               
approach as well.  He urged the committee to look closely at a bill            
that will require not only phonics, but also the whole language                
approach because no one method is good for all students.                       
                                                                               
DR. STAYROOK stated the FNSBSD did use the CAT to assess first,                
second, and third graders, but discontinued its use with first                 
graders for a number of reasons.  First, classroom teachers felt it            
was not developmentally appropriate to have students, who were                 
instructed using open-ended assessment tasks that allowed them to              
read orally and demonstrate their reading abilities in other ways,             
take a test that required them to focus in on one correct answer on            
an answer sheet.  A standardized test, like the CAT or the                     
Metropolitan or Stanford Achievement Tests, only gives half the                
story about reading performance of students in the early grades.               
Those tests measure the basic skills listed in SSSB 203, such as               
phonemic awareness, but they do not measure a child's ability to               
read orally and then explain the meaning of what was read.                     
                                                                               
Number 205                                                                     
                                                                               
SENATOR GREEN asked Dr. Stayrook to suggest an appropriate measure             
to use to assess the reading abilities of young children.                      
                                                                               
DR. STAYROOK replied there are many individually administered                  
reading tests available for teachers to use.  SSSB 203 calls for               
the use of individual tests only for the students who are scoring              
below a certain level on a group administered, norm referenced                 
test.                                                                          
                                                                               
SENATOR GREEN asked Dr. Stayrook whether he thought individually               
administered tests are preferable for all young students.                      
                                                                               
DR. STAYROOK answered the FNSBSD Title 1 programs assess young                 
students using an individually administered reading test  the                  
result of politics which allows students to provide both verbal and            
written responses.  He added many other good tests are available               
that do the same.                                                              
                                                                               
Number 239                                                                     
                                                                               
SENATOR GREEN questioned whether she is correct in assuming that               
most teachers do not need a nationally normed test to evaluate a               
student.                                                                       
                                                                               
DR. STAYROOK said he believes that is true.  Teachers usually know             
what the test results will be before the test is administered,                 
because teachers work with students 180 days over the school year.             
                                                                               
SENATOR GREEN commented that many teachers use a check-off sheet               
to determine which phonics principles a student is aware of, and               
that exercise becomes part of the student evaluation process.  She             
questioned whether that approach could be tied in to determining               
which students need to be tested.                                              
                                                                               
DR. STAYROOK stated he met with Senator Taylor and his staff during            
the past week to come up with a compromise bill that will emphasize            
the balanced approach to reading instruction as opposed to a bill              
that simply talks about phonics.  DOE believes a balanced approach             
is necessary.  He suggested amending the bill to require districts             
to use a balanced approach and to require students to meet the                 
Alaska student performance standards in reading and language arts.             
He incorporated, into proposed amendments, the contents of the                 
standards which include such things as phonics, spelling,                      
instruction, word meaning in context, structure of the English                 
language, and other whole language concepts.  DOE recommends the               
use of an assessment system based on performance standards set for             
very young students; one age group being 5 to 7 year olds.  The                
assessment will contain test items much like those in an                       
individually administered diagnostic reading test.                             
                                                                               
SENATOR GREEN asked whether DOE's plan involves creating a new                 
test.                                                                          
                                                                               
DR. STAYROOK said it does.                                                     
                                                                               
SENATOR GREEN remarked she does not think creating a new test is               
necessary because measurements already exist to determine whether              
first graders can recognize certain sounds for reading.  Existing              
tests can fulfill what both DOE and Senator Taylor have in mind.               
                                                                               
DR. STAYROOK clarified that DOE does not plan to develop a                     
completely brand new set of test questions to measure the portion              
of the standards that deal with phonics.  Other parts of the                   
standards, such as listening, speaking, and writing skills, cannot             
be measured using existing tests.  DOE proposes to work with a test            
contractor to ensure that the assessment is comprehensive.  DOE                
believes a balanced assessment program will be necessary to measure            
all aspects of the balanced approach to reading.                               
                                                                               
Number 295                                                                     
                                                                               
SENATOR GREEN pointed out the problem with the Quality Schools                 
Initiative is the incredibly high cost of creating the assessment              
piece.  She repeated her belief that an appropriate measurement                
already exists to assess all of the components of a balanced                   
approach.  She suggested that the legislation should be broadened              
to require schools to do something other than provide special                  
education classes for students who measure below a certain                     
percentile on a nationally normed test.  She stated that is the                
direction in which the Legislature is headed.  She asked Dr.                   
Stayrook to help the Legislature get there with this bill without              
creating a new test.                                                           
                                                                               
DR. STAYROOK spoke to the "normed" part of a nationally normed                 
test.  The definition of what represents norming is the average                
score of a nationally representative group of students of the same             
age who took the test.  When students in Alaska are compared                   
against the national norm, they are being compared against the                 
average of all students in the norm group upon which this test was             
standardized.  He noted if one looks at the achievement of students            
over the last five or ten years, when the normed tests were                    
created, one should ask whether the standards are high enough.  The            
CAT was normed in 1992 so we are comparing students today to a                 
representative group of students who took the same test in 1992.               
DOE is arguing that nationally normed tests do not provide a high              
enough standard for Alaska students.  If Alaska creates its own set            
of standards and assessments for students, the assessments could be            
benchmarked against other states with much higher standards than               
the nationally normed test.  For example, the State of Virginia is             
viewed as a state with an extremely good standards and assessment              
system; Virginia's students score well above the national average.             
He proposed amending SSSB 203 to require that any standards and                
assessment system that DOE devises for students ages 5 to 7 be                 
compared against other states to ensure that Alaska holds the same             
high expectations for its students as other states do.                         
                                                                               
Number 341                                                                     
                                                                               
SENATOR GREEN asked Dr. Stayrook if he could change the words                  
"nationally normed test" to another phrase, what that would be.                
                                                                               
DR. STAYROOK replied "to a set of criterion referenced tests that              
have high standards."                                                          
                                                                               
SENATOR GREEN asked whether such tests already exist.                          
                                                                               
DR. STAYROOK replied many of the tests that exist are norm-                    
referenced, not criterion referenced, because a criterion                      
referenced test cannot be created without first determining the                
criteria.                                                                      
                                                                               
SENATOR GREEN asked whether the State of Virginia has such a test.             
                                                                               
DR. STAYROOK said it does but that test is based on performance                
standards set by the State of Virginia, not on a nationally-normed             
reference test.                                                                
                                                                               
SENATOR GREEN questioned whether the Alaska DOE could borrow from              
the State of Virginia.                                                         
                                                                               
DR. STAYROOK said DOE could, if that information is not privileged             
or copyrighted.  DOE would benchmark Alaska's standards and                    
assessments against Virginia's standards, as well as other selected            
states.                                                                        
                                                                               
SENATOR GREEN questioned whether any well known, criterion-                    
referenced tests are commercially available.                                   
                                                                               
DR. STAYROOK said none are commercially available because a                    
criterion referenced test relates to the criteria set up for a                 
specific school, school district, or state, hence commercial                   
publishing companies do not create criterion referenced tests                  
unless requested.  DOE is proposing to have a test created that                
will emphasize a balanced approach to reading instruction.                     
                                                                               
Number 365                                                                     
                                                                               
CHAIRMAN WILKEN asked Senator Green if her concern is, that while              
she supports using a test, she does not see the need to create a               
new test.                                                                      
                                                                               
SENATOR GREEN responded that she cannot imagine that creating a new            
test is necessary for first, second, and third grade student                   
assessments.  She repeated that although teachers do a wonderful               
job with day-to-day assessments, some students in every classroom              
do not succeed and it is those students that SB 203 is geared to.              
She said she cannot believe, after so many years of testing, an                
appropriate test does not already exist.                                       
                                                                               
DR. STAYROOK answered assessments exist in pieces.  DOE is                     
proposing to put the pieces together to create a comprehensive                 
assessment for young children.                                                 
                                                                               
SENATOR GREEN asked how much DOE estimates the creation of a new               
test will cost.                                                                
                                                                               
DR. STAYROOK said DOE is using the same estimate it used for the               
high school exit qualifying exam which is about $2 to $3 million               
and it will take two to three years to develop.                                
                                                                               
Number 388                                                                     
                                                                               
CHAIRMAN WILKEN maintained that any test of first, second, and                 
third graders would be a test of basic skills.  He suggested the               
language on page 2, line 2 is problematic and needs to be further              
developed.  He asked Dr. Stayrook if he planned to offer any                   
amendments at this time.                                                       
                                                                               
DR. STAYROOK stated he presented a series of amendments that are               
acceptable to DOE to Senator Taylor's staff.                                   
                                                                               
CHAIRMAN WILKEN noted the committee will consider those amendments             
as it continues to work on this bill.                                          
                                                                               
SENATOR GREEN asked what the phrase "If a majority of the                      
students..." means on page 2, line 13.                                         
                                                                               
DR. STAYROOK explained that would apply if over 50 percent of the              
students score in the bottom quartile on a nationally normed test.             
Nationally normed tests have percentile ranks of students.  It is              
conceivable that all, or a majority, of the students within a                  
school or school district could score below the 25th percentile.               
                                                                               
SENATOR GREEN asked what percent is typical, or what DOE would hope            
for.                                                                           
                                                                               
DR. STAYROOK answered the national standard is to have 25 percent              
of the students score within each quartile on the test.  In a good             
school district, less than 25 percent of the students would score              
in the bottom quartile.                                                        
                                                                               
Number 411                                                                     
                                                                               
SENATOR GREEN stated that if a majority of students in a grade                 
tested below the 25th percentile, the situation would be ominous.              
She asked what would be a reasonable standard to expect statewide.             
                                                                               
DR. STAYROOK replied it is very difficult to say.  Anytime the                 
percentile is over 25, those scores indicate that problems exist,              
but the same holds true when even one student scores below the 25th            
percentile.                                                                    
                                                                               
SENATOR GREEN asked if the word "majority" on line 13 would set a              
false standard.                                                                
                                                                               
DR. STAYROOK replied DOE has reviewed the fourth grade CAT results             
by district across the state.  11 out of 53 districts have greater             
than 50 percent of their students scoring in the lowest quartile in            
reading.  Those districts need help getting their students up to               
grade level.  That information is not available for first, second,             
and third graders because they are not tested.  He cautioned that              
the content of these tests tell only part of the story about the               
reading achievement level of students.                                         
                                                                               
SENATOR GREEN asked whether this might not only indicate the                   
delivery method is in question, but also that the child needs                  
further testing and that special assistance will be required for               
more than just reading skills.                                                 
                                                                               
DR. STAYROOK said it does. He believes any child scoring below the             
25th percentile needs additional assistance.  DOE does not oppose              
having classroom teachers administer diagnostic reading tests to               
students who have deficiencies in order to determine where those               
deficiencies are.  A group administered achievement test, such as              
the CAT, is not a diagnostic test.  It gives a broad picture of how            
students score across a number of subjects.                                    
                                                                               
SENATOR GREEN questioned whether a diagnostic test is completely               
different from a criterion referenced test.                                    
                                                                               
DR. STAYROOK said yes, a diagnostic test is individually                       
administered to determine specific kinds of reading and language               
arts deficiencies.  A criterion referenced test measures a                     
student's performance against a set of standards or a set of                   
criteria.                                                                      
                                                                               
SENATOR GREEN questioned whether a diagnostic test is the piece                
that is needed for this type of bill.                                          
                                                                               
DR. STAYROOK answered certainly students who perform low should be             
given a diagnostic test.  He pointed out SSSB 203 does call for                
diagnostic testing if a majority of students are scoring in the                
bottom quartile on the group administered test.                                
                                                                               
SENATOR GREEN questioned whether it would be appropriate to                    
initially administer a diagnostic test.                                        
                                                                               
DR. STAYROOK thought that would be a good idea and noted that is               
the direction the FNSBSD is going in.  The FNSBSD is not satisfied             
with the assessments it currently has for first graders so it plans            
to pilot more individualized assessments.                                      
                                                                               
SENATOR GREEN questioned whether any existing test might complement            
a diagnostic test to get the results the sponsor is aiming at.                 
                                                                               
DR. STAYROOK said such a test would be a criterion referenced test             
based on the Alaska standards.                                                 
                                                                               
Number 457                                                                     
                                                                               
CHAIRMAN WILKEN asked whether the FNSBSD tests first graders now.              
                                                                               
DR. STAYROOK said first graders have not been tested for the last              
three years.  The FNSBSD has substituted a performance assessment.             
Teachers read students a three page story and allow them to answer             
open-ended questions regarding the reading.  The FNSBSD has found              
the performance assessment is rather easy and only measures the                
students' ability to comprehend a story read to them.  Test results            
show that the average first grader scores at the 90th percentile.              
The FNSBSD is now looking at other types of reading assessments to             
substitute.                                                                    
                                                                               
CHAIRMAN WILKEN asked whether some districts in this state would               
benefit from this legislation, while others would not benefit at               
all.                                                                           
                                                                               
DR. STAYROOK said that would be fair to say.  He thought one reason            
the bill was introduced is that curriculum specification is the                
responsibility of each school district, and many districts have                
instituted curricula that largely emphasize whole language                     
instruction and de-emphasize phonics and basic skills instruction              
in reading.  If the bill was written to include a balanced                     
approach, it would preclude districts from adopting curricula that             
do not have either phonics or whole language instruction.                      
                                                                               
CHAIRMAN WILKEN questioned whether that would become transparent if            
SSSB 203 passed.                                                               
                                                                               
DR. STAYROOK stated he believes that is true.  The draft FNSBSD                
curriculum would match this bill in its entirety in terms of what              
is emphasized.                                                                 
                                                                               
Number 482                                                                     
                                                                               
JEAN ANN ALTER, legislative chair of the Alaska State Literacy                 
Association, former DOE Title 1 coordinator, and a reading teacher,            
gave the following testimony.  She complimented the committee for              
addressing the issue of assessing students who are not learning to             
read and requiring schools to provide additional instruction and               
support for those struggling readers.  She suggested dropping the              
mandate for norm-referenced testing in at least the first two grade            
levels and replacing it with language in the bill requiring DOE to             
approve every schools' reading assessment plan for the early                   
grades.  Any reading assessment plan should assess phonetic                    
awareness, word attack, fluency, etc.  She expressed concern about             
reinstating the use of norm-referenced tests in the first two                  
grades because in the last five to 10 years Alaska schools have                
found more effective kinds of assessments to use in the early                  
grades.  All of the schools in the state that receive any federal              
money in the way of Title 1, Migrant, Title 6, or Title 2 funds                
report their assessment methods of primary grade students to DOE.              
Many school districts use informal assessments, such as the Dural              
(ph) Qualitative Reading Assessment, while more and more school                
districts are combining that with the Clay Observation Survey, used            
on all primary grade children.  The Clay Observation Survey                    
includes an alphabet screen that tests a student's ability to                  
recognize letters and sounds to determine the level of phonetic                
awareness, tests dictation skills, familiarity with word lists,                
writing skills, and oral reading skills.  That approach is much                
more effective than using a norm-referenced test.  Norm-referenced             
tests tempt teachers to teach directly to the test which limits                
instruction.  Ms. Alter said norm-referenced tests are not                     
particularly accurate in the primary grades; one could get a better            
view of a student's achievement level by looking at the parent's               
income level.  Students in the primary grades guess at answers in              
norm-referenced tests, and using the test as a screen does not                 
provide accurate results.  She pointed out in rural Alaska, the                
students she works with are very good at phonics but have more                 
difficulty with comprehension, which is why she agrees a balanced              
approach is necessary.                                                         
                                                                               
SENATOR GREEN asked Ms. Alter if she could recommend language to               
replace the phrase "... using a nationally normed group-                       
administered test" on page 2, line 2.                                          
                                                                               
MS. ALTER said she would recommend language requiring DOE approval             
of each district's  assessment plan for students in primary grades.            
Most districts are already required to report to DOE how they are              
assessing student literacy for their federal programs and a                    
majority of the districts already have a solid plan in place. At               
this point DOE is understaffed so staff cannot travel to, and                  
assist, districts in developing good assessment plans, and smaller             
districts cannot hire consultants like Dr. Stayrook.                           
                                                                               
Number 561                                                                     
                                                                               
SENATOR GREEN commented if a statewide standard is set in statute              
and DOE has oversight, the onus will be put on the classroom.                  
                                                                               
MS. ALTER suggested requiring districts to have assessment measures            
in place to assess reading, including phonetics, comprehension,                
writing skills, etc., for younger children, and then, if the                   
Legislature so desires, use norm-referenced measures beginning in              
third grade because those tests are more accurate at that level.               
                                                                               
SENATOR GREEN asked Ms. Alter if she believes an ongoing assessment            
of children is already occurring.                                              
                                                                               
MS. ALTER said she does.  Some school districts use standardized               
materials to do so, for example, the Clay Observation Survey is a              
standardized measure but it is not norm-referenced.  Many schools              
use informal surveys that are effective in gathering the kind of               
information desired.                                                           
                                                                               
TAPE 98-27, SIDE B                                                             
                                                                               
JAQUELINE TAGABAN, Tlingit and Haida Central Council Project                   
Director for the Family Education Center, a Native parent, and the             
Chairperson for the Southeast Alaska Affiliate of the National                 
Association for the Education of Young Children (NAEYC), expressed             
the following concerns about viewing phonics as the one and only               
way to teach reading to children.  She believes that children learn            
to read in many ways, phonics being one, and they learn to read                
when exposed to authentic literature that is meaningful to them and            
their environment, rather than with books that lose meaning when               
attempting to provide a phonics lesson.  NAEYC believes it is                  
extremely important to capitalize on the active and social nature              
of children's learning.  Early instruction must provide rich                   
demonstrations and models of literacy in the course of activities              
that make sense to young children.  As a member of the Native                  
community, Ms. Tagaban stated her concerns are at the targeted                 
group for whom this bill is addressing.  If nationally-normed                  
standardized tests are used to identify students considered at risk            
for learning, Native children will be targeted because they do not             
score well on such tests.  Such tests do not appropriately reflect             
what all children know, and are even more inaccurate for Alaska                
Native children whose learning environment is nothing like the                 
national norm.  Ms. Tagaban did not believe it is necessary to                 
create a new assessment piece if we can trust in individual                    
teachers who are doing authentic assessment on a daily basis.  If              
Native children continue to be labeled "at risk" and are given less            
of a variety of ways to learn to read, we are taking steps backward            
rather than forward.                                                           
                                                                               
SENATOR WARD commented that he is an Alaska Native and went through            
the public school system.  In the seventh grade, his family moved              
to Florida for a short period of time.  He left the Anchorage                  
school system with a below average grade but was a straight A                  
student in Florida.  He believes the handicap that is put on Native            
children is a joke and as a grandfather, he will not allow his                 
grandchildren to be involved in the Johnson O'Malley program but he            
insists that they get good grades.  He said Alaska's schools were              
far ahead of the rest of the nation, but no longer are as something            
has changed drastically, but the decline in school systems has                 
nothing to do with race.                                                       
                                                                               
MS. TAGABAN said she was in no way saying it has to do with race,              
her point was there are many inequities in this state already, and             
that many children do not have grandparents who can support them to            
learn to read, or even parents who can be there on a daily basis.              
The problem is not that the children are not able to learn to read,            
it is due to all of the inequities they must battle on a daily                 
basis.                                                                         
                                                                               
SENATOR WARD stated they will battle, and will end up being                    
leaders.                                                                       
                                                                               
MS. TAGABAN stated as long as we can think of Native students as               
individuals who can learn to read using whatever method is best for            
them and materials appropriate in their environment, they will                 
learn.                                                                         
                                                                               
SENATOR WARD said he does not disagree with Ms. Tagaban, but he                
needs to make sure that Native students have all of the tools they             
need to compete, and that is what SSSB 203 is about.                           
                                                                               
MS. TAGABAN said she had to disagree because she does not believe              
SSSB 203 will provide the tools necessary to learn to read.                    
                                                                               
Number 523                                                                     
                                                                               
NILA RINEHART, manager of Tlingit and Haida Head Start, Tlingit and            
Haida Central Council Indian Tribes of Alaska, and a national board            
member of NAEYC, made the following statements.  NAEYC and the                 
Reading Association are in the process of developing a position                
paper on how young children learn to read.  Children learn to read             
and write in a variety of ways. Children are from varied                       
backgrounds and are put in groups of children who may or may not be            
like them when they enter an educational institutional setting.                
Because the early years are such important learning years, teachers            
must be well prepared and trained on how to help young children                
develop reading and writing skills.  Children need to have a good              
learning environment, teacher-pupil ratios need to be adequate.                
Children learn best in small group settings, especially in the                 
younger years.  In addition, schools need sufficient resources to              
bring books into the hands of children.  Many libraries need to be             
upgraded to include good children's literature and high quality                
learning materials so that all children have access to a print-rich            
environment.  Children who do not meet national ranges for literacy            
need individualized instruction.  Parents, teachers, and schools               
need to be involved in determining what the individualized approach            
should be.  She agreed that phonics needs to be a part of the                  
curriculum, but it is not the only part.  Teachers should use                  
multiple indicators to assess whether or not children are reading              
at the appropriate level, including daily observations.  Group                 
administered, multiple choice, standardized tests in reading and               
writing are not appropriate for the younger children.  Standardized            
testing leads to standardized ways of teaching which is not                    
acceptable for young children.  Children learn to love or hate                 
learning in their younger years.  Also, every child needs to have              
appropriate health care.  Whether a child can adequately hear, see,            
and has enough nutrition to carry him/her throughout the day is                
essential.  She commended the sponsor for recognizing the                      
importance of learning to read but she stated she believes in a                
balanced approach and that there are many different aspects that               
contribute to a child's ability to learn.                                      
                                                                               
CHAIRMAN WILKEN asked Ms. Rinehart how the Head Start Program                  
introduces three year old children to reading.                                 
                                                                               
Number 472                                                                     
                                                                               
MS. RINEHART said at age three they are provided with a print rich             
environment and they are read to daily.  Children learn to write               
their names and to recognize symbols.  Books are provided in the               
classroom and to parents to read at home.  They have found the best            
way to teach children to love to read is to be read to by parents              
and teachers.  Providing books that talk about their cultures and              
communities, as well as the broader world, is very important.                  
                                                                               
DENNIS EARLY, a Head Start preschool teacher and parent of two                 
children, made the following comments.  Both of his children                   
thoroughly enjoy reading and writing and both were presented with              
a basal type approach to reading when they began which they                    
struggled with.  He believes it is very important to get children              
hooked on reading at the preschool level.  He cautioned against                
testing children at a young age because they are unlikely to score             
well.                                                                          
                                                                               
CHAIRMAN WILKEN asked what the basal approach is.                              
                                                                               
MR. EARLY responded he thinks of it as a "Dick and Jane" approach              
which emphasizes words rather than meaning.                                    
                                                                               
Number 436                                                                     
                                                                               
BRIDGET SMITH from the Even Start program explained that program is            
a federal education program which focusses on family literacy.  She            
assured committee members it is not the absence or presence of                 
phonics instruction that leads to childrens' success in learning to            
read.  Many factors are at play, the most important being whether              
parents provide a literate environment at home.  She appreciated               
the committee's concern but said she is wary of a bill that                    
prescribes a program of intensive systematic phonics because she               
believes children need a balanced approach to language instruction.            
                                                                               
JOHN CYR, National Education Association (NEA) President, stated               
that previous testimony has almost been unanimous in the belief                
that the curriculum change that takes place must be broad based.               
He commended the Legislature for looking at education in the in-               
depth way that it has over the last couple of years but he stated              
he does not believe SB 203 is necessary.  Mandating norm-referenced            
tests moves the state backward.  He remembered giving norm-                    
referenced tests to young students in Kipnuk, which was a waste of             
one week's worth of school. If the goal is to make schools better,             
the teacher-pupil ratio must be smaller, schools need more books               
and libraries, and students need to come to school healthy.                    
Requiring another nationally normed, artificial test, and                      
mandating a prescriptive program for all children will hurt as many            
students as it helps.  Alaska needs to set rigorous state standards            
and let professionals in school districts and classrooms make sure             
that students meet them.  Micromanaging individual classrooms is               
the wrong approach.                                                            
                                                                               
SENATOR GREEN stated what prompted this legislation is the fact                
that some students end up with a degree but can neither read,                  
write, or spell.  She stated assessing students at an early age                
could prevent such situations.                                                 
                                                                               
MR. CYR said he thinks we need to set criterion referenced                     
standards in place and to ensure that those standards are very                 
clear to teachers and parents.  We also need to set up a system of             
testing.  He was unsure whether DOE needs to spends millions of                
dollars to do so.  He thought that setting standards will obligate             
school districts to find a way to ensure students meet them. He                
said such a system will be expensive and it will fall to the                   
legislative body to provide funding.                                           
                                                                               
Number 333                                                                     
                                                                               
SENATOR GREEN asked whether the problem is that school districts               
are inconsistent in their grade level standards.                               
                                                                               
MR. CYR replied that question is better asked of reading                       
specialists, but he assumed textbook companies still sell reading              
textbooks and that there is some basic understanding of what skills            
a six year old child should have.  He thought most basal programs              
follow a prescribed method of teaching reading.  Every good first              
and second grade teacher should be able to assess each student in              
the classroom and know what level the student is at.                           
                                                                               
SENATOR GREEN said that is not happening in every school.  She                 
asked how the Legislature can raise the standards and criteria for             
each grade, without offending districts that already have programs             
in place.                                                                      
                                                                               
MR. CYR said the Legislature could set the standard.  If he was                
teaching U.S. history, he could be told what all students should               
know when completing the class.  Teachers should be able to decide             
which textbooks and materials to use, but teachers should be held              
responsible for ensuring that the students meet the standard.                  
                                                                               
SENATOR GREEN asked whether that is currently happening.                       
                                                                               
MR. CYR said there are no statewide standards.                                 
                                                                               
Number 287                                                                     
                                                                               
SENATOR GREEN commented no statewide standards have been set after             
all of the curriculum committees have met for so many years.  She              
stated she would like to think that the purpose of the legislation             
is not to offend anyone, but to say that assessments for reading,              
writing, and spelling skills in first, second and third graders are            
very important, and that the Legislature wants to know what                    
students can do and what to do when students have problems.                    
                                                                               
Number 274                                                                     
                                                                               
MS. KROGSENG noted that previous speakers made numerous references             
to using a balanced approach.  She clarified language on page 1,               
lines 7-10, speaks to the use of intensive systematic phonics along            
with other methods of instruction.  She emphasized there is nothing            
in the original bill or the proposed committee substitute that                 
mandates that phonics is to be the only thing taught, nor is there             
a reference to any particular program, because Senator Taylor                  
believes it is the teachers' responsibility to incorporate phonics             
instruction in with the other methods they use.                                
                                                                               
MS. KROGSENG said, regarding the use of nationally normed tests,               
Senator Taylor's intent is not necessarily to accept the mid-norm;             
Alaska can require scores to be in the 80th percentile.  Senator               
Taylor's concern is that when Alaskan children graduate from our               
schools, they should be able to compete with students from the                 
other 49 states.  The bill focuses on first, second and third                  
graders because students' problems must be determined at an early              
age in order for school districts to address them.  If problems are            
not assessed until the tenth or eleventh grades, the student has               
lost  years of opportunities.  In addition, children cannot learn              
history or other subject material without knowing how to read.                 
                                                                               
Regarding the fiscal note, MS. KROGSENG remarked it is Senator                 
Taylor's belief that if this bill passes, and deficient school                 
systems begin using phonics instruction in addition to other                   
methods of instruction in their language arts programs, special                
education costs will decreaes far more than any costs incurred as              
the result of requiring nationally normed tests to be given.                   
                                                                               
MS. KROGSENG referred to page 2 of the Wall Street Journal                     
editorial, dated March 23, 1998, which reads:                                  
     The report just released by the National Research Council                 
     (sponsored by the Department of Education and the Department              
     of Health and Human Services) concludes that no single method             
     has all of the answers and recommends a mix of the two.  Well,            
     that's a start.  So is the report's recognition that the                  
     debate over methods has diverted too much attention from the              
     problem of actually getting kids to read.                                 
                                                                               
     For proof, there are the embarrassing statistics: a 1992                  
     National Adult Literacy Survey showed that 21% of Americans               
     are functionally illiterate.  On top of that, a December study            
     by the Organization of Economic Cooperation and Development               
     found the United States to be among the few developed nations             
     that has failed to improve literacy over the past generation.             
                                                                               
MS. KROGSENG questioned why, if teachers are already assessing                 
students on a daily basis and attacking the problem, we are in the             
situation we are today.  She urged committee members to amend SSSB
203 on page 2, line 13, to replace the words "a majority" with "25             
percent or more."                                                              
                                                                               
CHAIRMAN WILKEN asked that the sponsor work with the Administration            
on the amendments discussed today and on the language on page 2,               
line 2, which pertains to testing.  The committee will schedule the            
bill when that work is done.                                                   
                                                                               
Number 192                                                                     
                                                                               
SUE OLIPHANT, the Tlingit and Haida Head Start Disabilities and                
Education Coordinator, commented throughout her career she has                 
learned that young children learn at very different rates and they             
learn different things at different times.  While one child may be             
focusing on physical development, another child is working on                  
language development.  She cautioned against using standardized                
tests on young children.  As a third grade teacher, she noted that             
the students who were achieving best academically scored lower than            
she would have expected on a standardized test.  She thought that              
occurred because those students were thinkers and could see several            
options to the questions on a standardized test.  She also warned              
that no standardized tests are appropriate for our geographic area.            
She discussed the difficulty her own children had with standardized            
testing and that expectations were key to whether they were                    
successful or not.  She suggested that if the Legislature wants to             
address the problem of student underachievement, it should address             
the problem of large class sizes.                                              
                                                                               
CHAIRMAN WILKEN requested that a representative from DOE address               
the fiscal note when SSSB 203 is rescheduled.                                  
CHAIRMAN WILKEN announced that there will be a 3:00 presentation to            
the House and Senate HESS committees on Thursday on early brain                
development.                                                                   
                                                                               
            SB 246 - HARBORVIEW DEVELOPMENTAL CENTER                           
                                                                               
SENATOR WARD moved SB 246 out of committee with individual                     
recommendations and its accompanying fiscal notes.  There being no             
objection, the motion carried.                                                 
There being no further business to come before the committee,                  
CHAIRMAN WILKEN adjourned the meeting at 10:33 a.m.                            

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